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 # 14 ≡ Re: King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2015 |
Groupe I
1279 posts depuis
le 7/10/2007
De : Calvados; Cambridge
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Selon le Racing Post :
GOLDEN HORN will be aimed at next month’s Juddmonte International at York after being a late withdrawal for the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Ascot on Saturday.
After 35mm of rain at the track on Friday, trainer John Gosden decided to walk the course before racing and deemed the ground, officially described as soft, unsuitable for the unbeaten Investec Derby hero.
"It is very frustrating," said Gosden. "The horse is in superb form, looking the best and probably going the sharpest in his work he ever has. It was a race we were very keen to take on.
"The ground in the straight would be no problem - it's just the old track. It rides deep, deep down there and holding. If it was all on the new track I wouldn't hesitate on running, but it is not.
"Once I got down to Swinley Bottom the stick went in 12 inches and made a pop sound as it came out. You know what kind of ground it is, holding, sticky. He can go on good to soft no problem. He can probably go on genuine soft, but I don't want to involve him in a sticky, holding ground."
Golden Horn, who became the first horse to complete the Dante-Derby-Eclipse treble at Sandown three weeks ago, had been as big as even-money on Saturday morning, having drifted out from a general 4-9 before the heavy rain started to fall on Friday.
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| 27.07.15 - 14:40 |
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| TheRock |
# 17 ≡ Re: King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2015 |
Course A
128 posts depuis
le 3/10/2002
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Chers Collègues,
Soyez sympa avec nos amis anglais !
Golden Horn c'est pas Sea The Stars c'est sur, il est sur estimé c'est sur aussi mais il gagné le Derby d'Epsom avec la manière et pour les Anglais cela veut tout dire ! Nous depuis que le jockey club se court sur 2100 m, on en pense quoi de nos vainqueurs de jockey club, on en a honte... c'est bien différent d'Epsom !
Je ne vois pas le mal à faire non partant si le terrain complique la chose. Courir les King George a 3 ans c'est rare, il faut être au top et oui un cheval invaincu c'est très beau sur le papier.
Moi, le fait qu'il ai été non partant je le vois comme une bonne nouvelle car cela renforce ces chances de faire une bonnes performances dans l'Arc. Car avec son programme complet, il serait arrivé complétement rincé chez nous en octobre. Même si j'ai des doutes qu'il coure l'Arc...
Et que dire de la frilosité de l'entourage de Trève, all made for the Qatar Empire ! Que des combats a domicile c'est relativement simple c'est plus simple que se frotter aux meilleurs toute l'année.
Pourquoi ne pas courir les King Georges, la peur de perdre ?
Parce oui tout est prévu pour l'Arc avec elle, ce qui rend l'année bien triste avec Elle...
Et regardez le betting de l'Arc a ce jour, c'est très très pauvre en champions, si Trève gagne elle aura battu qui ? encourageons les challengers à venir !
A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire |
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| 27.07.15 - 19:11 |
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| bireli |
# 18 ≡ Re: King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2015 |
Groupe I
835 posts depuis
le 2/10/2011
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TheRock,
Citation :Courir les King George a 3 ans c'est rare, il faut être au top
A une époque oui mais aujourd'hui c'est moins ça....D'ailleurs , cette année , il vient d'être élu pire rating de l'histoire.
"With ratings-toppers Golden Horn and Flintshire not running this was a weak renewal of the King George and Postponed matched the lowest rating of any King George winner in RPR history"
Pour le reste, une excellente analyse ici de Sam Walker :
GOLDEN HORN was withdrawn from the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes on Saturday because of the soft ground, but perversely that decision could make him more likely to contest the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe come rain or shine.
There are three reasons behind this apparent contradiction. The first is that John Gosden admitted on Saturday the horse could probably handle genuine soft ground. The trainer simply considered that this particular type of "sticky, holding" soft ground was unsuitable.
We were working on the assumption that Golden Horn may not run in the Arc on soft, but if this has now been downgraded to 'holding' or worse his chances of running have improved.
The Arc has thrown up this sticky, holding ground in the past. The French call it 'collant', which translates as pantyhose or tights because it sticks like ladies' undergarments. In the last 20 years the ground turned up collant or worse five times. So the odds are in his favour.
The second reason we are more likely to see Golden Horn in the Arc is one of legacy. If he was to duck out of soft-ground races at every opportunity he would be remembered as the first world champion since Ben Ainslie to have his career entirely dictated by the elements.
He already missed the King George because of rain and he could miss the Arc and Champion Stakes if it continues to rain. Weather permitting he heads next to York for the Juddmonte International Stakes in August, but where after that? If it keeps raining and connections stick to their guns perhaps that will be that.
The three-year-old is due to retire at the end of the season and a horse of his ability clearly can't keep missing opportunities to shine. The more races he misses, the more likely he is to take up engagements later in the season no matter what ground he faces.
Earlier this month he became the first horse to complete the Dante-Derby-Eclipse treble and if he'd won on Saturday he would have become just the fourth ever Derby-Eclipse-King George winner behind Nashwan, Mill Reef and Tulyar.
He's already being listed among great horses but great horses need great races to establish their legacy. If the ground continues to go against him and he continues not to run he could fail to amass the record a horse of his ability deserves.
The third reason Saturday's defection makes him more likely to turn up at Longchamp is one of conditioning, as missing Saturday's 1m4f race on holding ground may well have extended his campaign by a month.
The King George was set to be his fifth run since April and the sticky ground might have bottomed him, putting an end to his season there and then. Instead he will now have a month off before tackling the International Stakes, which should not pose such an energy-sapping test.
After the International Stakes connections will then be planning the end game. He would have just six-and-a-half weeks before the Arc, which gives him just one or two starts left in his career.
Owner Anthony Oppenheimer has expressed a desire to win the Arc, so the remainder of the season will probably be geared around that. He may go straight there, although the Prix Niel and Irish Champion Stakes look potential options if connections did want to squeeze in another race. In reality though it's probably York, Longchamp, Cartier Awards, paddocks.
The decision not to run on Saturday was probably based on two factors. One, he may not have given his true running on the ground. And two, it might have been too taxing for a horse they want to keep on the go throughout the autumn.
But when it comes to the Arc in October point two will be no longer valid. It will be the end of the season, his final race. Nothing else to look forward to, nothing to preserve him for. Time to make him a legend.
When it comes down to it they might just decide to roll the dice and run even if the going turns up collant. Then again, maybe I'm just talking pantyhose. |
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| 27.07.15 - 19:35 |
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| pilsudski |
# 20 ≡ Re: King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2015 |
Groupe II
647 posts depuis
le 26/12/2007
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1 Golden Horn John Gosden, GB 133p
2 American Pharoah Bob Baffert, USA 132p
3= Shared Belief Jerry Hollendorfer, USA 132
3= Epiphaneia Katsuhiko Sumii, Japan 131
3= Just A Way Naosuke Sugai, Japan 131
6 Palace Malice Todd A Pletcher, USA 131?
7 Time Test Roger Charlton, GB 130p
8= Able Friend John Moore, Hong Kong 130
8= Designs On Rome John Moore, Hong Kong 130
8= Lankan Rupee Mick Price, Australia 130
8= Solow Freddie Head, France 129
12= Free Eagle Dermot Weld, Ireland 129
12= Gleneagles Aidan O'Brien, Ireland 129
12= Military Attack Caspar Fownes, Hong Kong 129
12= Treve Criquette Head-Maarek, France 129
16 Muhaarar Charles Hills, GB 128p
17= Adelaide Chris Waller, Australia 128
17= Al Kazeem Roger Charlton, GB 128
17= Cirrus des Aigles
Corine Barande-Barbe, France 128
17= Flintshire Andre Fabre, France 128
17= Honor Code Claude McGaughey, USA 128
17= Protectionist Kris Lees, Australia 128
17= Terravista Joseph Pride, Australia 128
17= The Grey Gatsby Kevin Ryan, GB 128
17= To The World Yasutoshi Ikee, Japan 128
26 Jack Hobbs
John Gosden, GB 127p |
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